Well sure, that's how it's done. Doesn't mean SF was going to ACCEPT any of those offers, because that would mean SF loses Thomas. Getting calls doesn't mean he accepts the offers.

But with that said, what is he going to say? "No one offered us anything. We just called Chicago and asked if they'd beat some offers we made up... and they said sure." No GM is going to say that.

We've got no other Front Offices saying "We called SF and tried to get to 2".

I'll give you this, I know Cleveland was interested in Mahomes. We made calls to move up from 12 for him. This is reported, it's known. Right from Sashi.

Where is the Team saying they were trying to move up to 2?

So I don't think anyone was moving up to 2. I think SF had Chicago bid against no one, and safely drop 1 spot for the guy they wanted.

You keep saying that they had to get Thomas and they didn't, he was simply the best value there, he wasn't a need in the least. Aside from his talent I was annoyed they took him at all. Drafting the same position in the first round 3 years in a row is not how you build a successful team. I still think it was a bad deal them taking Thomas, they should have traded back again/further and picked up someone they could actually use.

The Browns didn't have to take Garrett... no one HAS to take anyone.

Garrett and Thomas were the best Prospects in the Draft, however. It's a pretty general consensus on that.

It was also seen as one of the worst QB Classes in a long time. Now, that said, odds are at least ONE of these guys blossoms. The Long Term impact of this Class is looked upon favorably, but the Early Impact was largely seen to be non-existent. No one is viewed as a Day 1 Starter, like a Mariotta or Winston, in this entire Class. This Class, from an Immediate Impact Standpoint was viewed as weaker than the 2016 Class... and we saw what happened to Goff, and Wentz came crashing down after his hot Start to be the 31 Ranked QB in the NFL. It's widely viewed that THIS class is WORSE than that one.

That being said, the potential of a Dak Prescott or Cody Kessler is greater in this Class... there are way more 2nd Round and Later guys that have the ability to not **** the bed if given some time.

Now you can tell me Chicago is playing the Long Game, and that's fine (that's how you SHOULD build a QB). But the combination of Weak QB Class and the impact of 2nd Best Player in Draft strongly suggests that SF wasn't moving lower than 3.

And you say taking the same position is bad. Just how good were those guys they Drafted before, if they are back to taking Solomon Thomas now? Obviously it's a position of Need, because they can't run their Defense without a Strong 3 Tech, and they have failed to achieve that (like Gregg Williams can't run his Defense with out a Solid Monster, or a 34 can't operate without a Solid NT). When did Detroit become a Play Off Contender and not a Basement Dweller? When they used their 3rd 1st Rounder in a Row on a WR and got Calvin Johnson. THEN they started Winning and moving the ball on Offense.

So if you haven't fixed the position, yeah... you keep plugging away at it. The entire point in SF is that D doesn't execute without a Strong 3 Tech... and they got that now.

Look at it this way. SF is counting on Brian Hoyer and Blaine Gabbert. They let Kaep walk. They were sitting at #2, and they STILL didn't take a QB there, when they could of had their choice of all of them.

When a QB needy Team PASSES on a QB, that should tell you something about the QBs in relation to the other Players in the Draft.

Chicago could have sat at 3 and took him. And it STILL would have been a mistake. They compounded that by Trading assets to move up 1 Spot to get him.

Yeah, I know that Trubisky is the Bears' type of QB, but honestly, I think they could have sat at 3 and maybe taken Jamal Adams, whom I had rated HIGHER than Solomon Thomas. My big board went:
1. Myles Garrett
2. Jamal Adams
3. Malik Hooker
4. Solomon Thomas
5. Jonathan Allen
6. Leonard Fournette
7. Marshon Lattimore
8. OJ Howard
9. Christian McCaffery
10. Marlon Humphrey

Anyways, people keep looking at Allen and Thomas at DEs. They can play DE, but they're DTs. Aaron Donald is NOT a DE, no matter what Wade Phillips says. Arik Armstead and DeForest Buckner can both rush from the edge on pass rush downs, because Thomas will be rushing from the interior. Thomas is a special type of player, and the 49ers DID need him. Thomas will be a floating chesspiece, moving between the edge and interior. He's a matchup weapon. This means that the other two first round DEs will see playing time.

Trubisky may have been the safest QB in the draft in SOME respects, but he's also seen the least playing time out of the top 5. Who knows if he's a one year wonder? That aside, he has the highest floor out of all of the QBs. He has the lowest ceiling out of the top 5, in my opinion, though. He'll provide the most startup value, but I think if the others are groomed right, they'll all pass him eventually. I think it would have been smarter to pick Kizer at the top of round 2, or maybe Webb at the top of round 3. Glennon is a bridge, but what's the purpose of the bridge if you picked the QB in the draft with the most immediate impact and the lowest upside?

Not just ragging on the Bears, though.

How about the Redskins? I see their draft as having 5 early starters. I think it was a great draft for them. Here are the early starters that I see from this draft:
1.17 Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama. It's amazing that he managed to fall so far. The Redskins will profit from this.
2.17 Ryan Anderson, OLB, Alabama. Allen's teammate is joining the Redskins. "Ryan Anderson is an explosive edge rusher. ... He sets a physical edge. He converts speed to power better than any edge rusher in this draft. ... He's a leverage player. He gets underneath you and knocks your jock on the ground. I like him in the run game. I like his energy in the pass game and he's an all-day sucker. Really good football player." -- Mike Mayock. The 'Skins needed another edge rusher to compete at LB, especially since they Redskins haven't been able to count on anyone across from Ryan Kerrigan in, well, forever.
3.17 Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA. This guy was at 31 on my big board, and he fell all the way to round 3 because of a torn pec. The Redskins are going to have a very good secondary soon. Josh Norman wasn't as good as expected when he signed, but he's still an NFL CB1. Moreau will be an immediate upgrade over Bashaud Breeland, who struggled this year. Honestly, I believe that the Breeland struggle could have just been a fluke year, because he was a good CB until this year. Combine that with last year's 3rd round CB, Kendall Fuller, last year's 2nd round S/LB hybrid Su'a Cravens, S DeAngelo Hall, S signee DJ Swearinger, and S Montae Nicholson, and the Redskins have a pretty good secondary.
4.7 Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma. Perine is going to be the answer to the Rob Kelley starting question. Kelley can return to a complementary role. Perine is a physical RB who is very polished at running between the tackles, very consistent, had the best RB strength at the Combine, and catches the ball a lot better than most people think. The only reason he wasn't used on third downs this past year was because of Joe Mixon's LeVeon Bell-like ability as a receiver. Perine still ran for 1,060 yards and 12 TDs while splitting the time.
4.17 Montae Nicholson. Nicholson is a very physical safety who hits hard and will probably win the starting safety job early. He is a tone setter and a very good athlete overall. He runs a 4.42, got 125 on the broad jump. Nicholson simply needs to find more aggression to make it as an NFL starter, but I see him doing just that on a very aggressive, very physical team. His tape isn't beautiful (in fact, a lot of it's meh), but he does make splash plays on occasion and has all of the traits needed, including great awareness of routes. He just needs to be coached to use his explosiveness in smashing down opposing receivers and in the box.

Outside of the Jamal Adams pick (BPA) I'm scratching my head at (IMO) one of the worst drafts I've had the misfortune to watch.
We (Jets) drafted 2 safeties, then 2 WRs , TE , LB , RB and then finally 2 CBs. Out of all of those (addressing needs) TE and CBs got covered. STILL no edge rusher, Tom Brady and co say hi! , No O linemen, really????
We didn't draft a punter though.

Honestly, a lot of the draft didn't make sense, to me.

I think too many teams pay far too much attention to the combine and end up falling in love with work out warriors, no substitute for game film.

Well we won't know until a few years if these picks pan out or not.

Players boom or bust all the time. Sure we can argue about whether or not a pick is good or bad but until these play a down in the NFL we won't truely know for sure.

I whole-heartedly agree. Look at the Cardinals, for example. They picked Chad Williams, from Grambling, over Chad Hansen, from Cal, because Williams had a better Pro Day than Hansen's Combine. Hansen didn't run an exceptionally fast 40, but he's a very good route runner, has great hands, gains great separation with his wiggle and savvy, and could be a possession receiver for the Cardinals (which they badly need with Fitz on the way out and John Brown and JJ Nelson dropping everything that's thrown their way). Instead, they got Williams, and while he was productive and had a good workout, his tape shows straight-up BAD route running, and it takes time for him to build up speed, but his speed is only straight-line. So they ended up drafting someone who, if lucky, will develop into ANOTHER go route deep threat, and they still won't have a possession receiver on the outside. And they drafted him in round 3. I didn't even have him on my board.

Solomon Thomas and Jonathon Allen are 3 Techs.

It's not about being DE or DT, BOTH DE and DT can play a 3 Tech depending on the scheme.

It's why Scouts don't really use terms like DE or DT any more, they simply refer to the preferred Technique.

Myles Garrett is a 5 Tech, some DE's are a 9 Tech. In the right Alignment Shift you may have need for a Rotational 7 Tech, but no one uses a 7 Tech as a Base. So the idea is you'd have a Rotational DE that can both 5 and 7, and he'd come in on Sub Packages that require a 7 (Goal Line has a 7, for instance, and I believe the 46 and Bears have a 7).

When you are talking 3 Tech, there were only 2 POLISHED 3 Techs in the Draft, Thomas and Allen, and Allen dropped due to the Shoulders. He's also (SPARQ) the better Athlete, but I care less about that for 3 Tech, 1 Tech and 0 Tech. Now there is a TON of POTENTIAL 3 Techs, the Browns landed two of them in Ogunjobi and Brantley. Brantley is more polished, but not close to Allen or Thomas, and fell due to Off Field. Ogunjobi is INSANE... but very raw. Small School Coaching, didn't start Playing ball until like his Sophomore HS Season. The upside is insane, but he's going to have to take to a ton of coaching to improve Technique and Discipline (Hand Usage, Leverage, Multiple Moves, etc.).

What you had was 5 Tech in Garrett, 3 Tech in Thomas and Allen, and then a variety of Safeties rated highly that were mostly SS. What made Hooker special is he was one of the few Elite Free Safeties in this Draft, while Adams had some competition due to his Low SPARQ (one of the lowest SPARQs for a S this Combine).

The surprise of the Draft was suddenly WRs were getting called early and often. I would add QBs, but really that's no surprise, recently 'Reaching' for QBs had increased drastically. Goff/Wentz last year is a perfect example, but it's been going on for awhile now.

What SF needs is a 3 Tech that goes above and beyond the Job. Despite Drafting 'DTs' 3 Seasons in a row now, the first two didn't impact from the 3 Tech. They may do better at the 1 or 0, but they aren't what that Defense needs for the 3 Tech. And without the 3 Tech, that SF D isn't doing anything.

In Cleveland we have TWO Primary Needs on Defense. Gregg Williams MUST have a 3 Tech and a Monster, or his D will be flat and exposed. Well, we got the Monster in Peppers, and we used Brantley and Ogunjobi to hopefully address the 3 Tech (Shelton is much improved, but a 1 Tech/0 Tech). Also Desmond Bryant is a 3 Tech, and a really good player, but he's 31 and coming off Injury so I can't count on him.

The 5 Tech isn't AS important, but Garrett was that much better than any other 5 Tech available... so instead of getting Aaron Donald Part II (Solomon Thomas), we got an Edge. 3 Tech was simply deeper than 5 Tech (Barnett is good, but he's a significant drop off from Garrett). If 5 Tech had been deeper, we'd have grabbed Thomas and then went with the next best available 5 Tech... that wasn't the case this Draft.

In today's NFL of Multiple Fronts we should step away from antiquated titles like 'DE' or 'DT', because they are very ambiguous and diluted in definition.