Brrexkl wrote:
It was only 24 Months ago that John Elway wanted Brock as his FQB, but you guys gave a King's Ransom to Brock to change scenery.
I think he can still be a good QB. Something is up with your HC, every QB he gets he destroys.
I'm also down on Watson as an NFL QB. AMAZING College QB, won't deny him that. 49 MPH though? I can throw a football faster than that underhand. He's going to have issues in the NFL with tighter windows. That said, he may well be another Tyrod Taylor (and I say that as a good thing).
But there's no way I Trade Up to 12 to take Tyrod Taylor, so I feel the Browns clearly Won this Trade.
Oh, I know. I was one of the harshest judges of Watson, gave him a round 3 grade on one of my papers during my Scouting Analytics course. He's very inconsistent, and makes some awful decisions. He's going to have to learn working the huddle. He's going to have to learn footwork from under center. He's going to have to build up a bit on size and arm strength. I like him better than Kizer and Trubisky, though, and since SOMEONE at QB has to have round 1 grades, I recently moved Watson to the tail end of round 1 and Mahomes to the middle. I think Watson could be a bust, and none of these QBs are really first rounders. I'm not trying to make wine out of mud. Watson and Mahomes are the only ones with the intangibles that allow one to succeed as an NFL QB, though, and Mahomes has the better physical traits of the two. It takes drive, leadership, and the willingness to put in endless effort to improve as an NFL QB. That's probably why Jared Goff, someone with all the arm talent in the world, couldn't succeed in LA (when you factor out the fact that the Rams had the worst group of pass-catchers in the league, and had a bottom 2 O-line).
Bill O'Brien is the opposite of what you said. He was the Patriots' QB coach and Offensive Coordinator the year they went to Super Bowl XLVI. He won ESPN's coach of the year award in 2012 when he became Penn State's head coach and immediately brought them up to an 8-4 record. He joined the Texans in 2013. Look at what he did with Hoyer in comparison to what the Browns did with Hoyer. Look at what he did with Fitzpatrick in comparison to what the Jets did with Fitzpatrick. He's never had a QB in Houston that's been highly touted, instead dealing with other teams' rejects, scrubs, or just no-name players. Osweiler is the only player that had any sort of pedigree, and O'Brien never even met Osweiler until after Osweiler joined the team, chasing the Texans' money instead of the Broncos' championship ability, weapons, and Elway's tutelage, which to me is a red flag that Osweiler didn't really want to be good or be coached. I think Elway and Manning just made Osweiler play better than he was. He clearly doesn't care about his career. Also, it's not like O'Brien made him throw his passes out of bounds along the sideline when QBs that O'Brien has actually picked, like Hoyer, Mallett, Savage, and even Fitzpatrick have been able to make those same throws. Seriously, watching Osweiler play this last season was a headache. O'Brien didn't like Osweiler, because Osweiler didn't want to be coached by O'Brien. The Texans' Owner, Bob McNair is the one that did the Osweiler deal, and he didn't consult his coaches. He may do well in Cleveland, and I think he may have had a wake-up call and matured, but there's a reason that Elway wouldn't offer more to keep Osweiler. Savage played well, and he's ONLY been coached by O'Brien. He managed to get Fuller and Hopkins the ball, something that Osweiler couldn't do. O'Brien, aside from Osweiler, has made every QB he's had to work with better. He's had Case Keenum, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer, T.J. Yates, Brandon Weeden, Tom Savage, and Brock Osweiler to work with. All of them had been cast off by other teams or drafted as late round picks before O'Brien took over. He turned the team from 2-14 to 9-7 a winning record for three years in a row and a playoff berth for two of those years. He's never had a losing season.
